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		<title>Avtor: ervinator</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45713</link>
		<dc:creator>ervinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pavle, res si govoril o plačah po kolektivnih pogodbah, vendar nisi povedal, da govoriš o osnovnih plačah brez dodatkov. 

Da prejema dve tretjini Slovencev podpovprečno plačo, lahko preseneti samo tiste, ki nikoli in za nobeno državo še niso videli tabele o porazdelitvi. Z veseljem pa ta podatek uporabljajo demagogi. 

Zate pa kratek poduk: Neenakomernost porazdelitve prihodkov v strokovni literaturi najraje opišemo z Ginijevim koeficientom. Večji ko je koeficient,  bolj neenakomerna je porazdelitev dohodkov. Slovenija je v skupini evropskih držav z najnižjim Ginijevim koeficientom, v tem mandatu pa se je še izboljšal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavle, res si govoril o plačah po kolektivnih pogodbah, vendar nisi povedal, da govoriš o osnovnih plačah brez dodatkov. </p>
<p>Da prejema dve tretjini Slovencev podpovprečno plačo, lahko preseneti samo tiste, ki nikoli in za nobeno državo še niso videli tabele o porazdelitvi. Z veseljem pa ta podatek uporabljajo demagogi. </p>
<p>Zate pa kratek poduk: Neenakomernost porazdelitve prihodkov v strokovni literaturi najraje opišemo z Ginijevim koeficientom. Večji ko je koeficient,  bolj neenakomerna je porazdelitev dohodkov. Slovenija je v skupini evropskih držav z najnižjim Ginijevim koeficientom, v tem mandatu pa se je še izboljšal.</p>
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		<title>Avtor: Jure</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45702</link>
		<dc:creator>Jure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>koalicija proti bailoutu je itak mavrična: libertarci, republikanci in michael moore... kdo bi si mislil, da bodo ti kdaj na isti strani... slabo, slabo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>koalicija proti bailoutu je itak mavrična: libertarci, republikanci in michael moore&#8230; kdo bi si mislil, da bodo ti kdaj na isti strani&#8230; slabo, slabo</p>
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		<title>Avtor: Pavle</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45701</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>link:
http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/09/those-whom-the-gods-would-destroy-they-first-make-mad/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>link:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/09/those-whom-the-gods-would-destroy-they-first-make-mad/" >http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/09/those-whom-the-gods-would-destroy-they-first-make-mad/</a></p>
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		<title>Avtor: Pavle</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45700</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zakaj so debilni ameriški libertarci glasovali proti:

I don’t know anything about Gresham Barrett, a Republican congressman from South Carolina but his statement fits the bill: “My fear is the government will be forever changing the face of the American free market. Because I believe so strongly in the principles of the free market and the belief in freedom, I will be opposing this bill.”  Those who genuinely hold these views are mad, but honest and principled.  I wish them a good depression.

Nekateri republikanski neoliberalni skrajneži so se sicer nameravali lotiti krize z odpravo davka na dobiček bwahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zakaj so debilni ameriški libertarci glasovali proti:</p>
<p>I don’t know anything about Gresham Barrett, a Republican congressman from South Carolina but his statement fits the bill: “My fear is the government will be forever changing the face of the American free market. Because I believe so strongly in the principles of the free market and the belief in freedom, I will be opposing this bill.”  Those who genuinely hold these views are mad, but honest and principled.  I wish them a good depression.</p>
<p>Nekateri republikanski neoliberalni skrajneži so se sicer nameravali lotiti krize z odpravo davka na dobiček bwahahaha</p>
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		<title>Avtor: Jure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>najboljši dokaz, da je konec blizu:
http://bittenandbound.com/2008/09/29/economic-crisis-hits-the-playboy-mansion-hugh-hefner-facing-bankruptcy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>najboljši dokaz, da je konec blizu:<br />
<a href="http://bittenandbound.com/2008/09/29/economic-crisis-hits-the-playboy-mansion-hugh-hefner-facing-bankruptcy/" >http://bittenandbound.com/2008/09/29/economic-crisis-hits-the-playboy-mansion-hugh-hefner-facing-bankruptcy/</a></p>
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		<title>Avtor: Jure</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45697</link>
		<dc:creator>Jure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ stupid

ti ne razumeš spljoh: kompenzacije fatcatsov na idealen način določa free market (beri ponudba/povpraševanje), zato nima država tam kaj prcat!!! Če se boš vpikoval v te nagrade, boš samo pokazal, da si nevoščljiv tistim, ki so bolj ustvarjalni, sposobni in khm kreativni od tebe. Tipična socialistična bolezen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ stupid</p>
<p>ti ne razumeš spljoh: kompenzacije fatcatsov na idealen način določa free market (beri ponudba/povpraševanje), zato nima država tam kaj prcat!!! Če se boš vpikoval v te nagrade, boš samo pokazal, da si nevoščljiv tistim, ki so bolj ustvarjalni, sposobni in khm kreativni od tebe. Tipična socialistična bolezen.</p>
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		<title>Avtor: Pavle</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45696</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ervinator, kje točno pa sem govoril, da se je povprečna plača realno znižala? Govoril sem o plačah po kolektivnih pogodbah. Lahko pa tudi upoštevaš, da dve tretjini Slovencev zaslužita manj, kot je povprečna plača.

Hecno je tudi, da je realna sredinska plača (median wage) za časa Busha v ZDA bolj ali manj stagnirala, medtem ko so genialci, ki so zakuhali finančno krizo, svoje dohodke povečali preko vseh mer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ervinator, kje točno pa sem govoril, da se je povprečna plača realno znižala? Govoril sem o plačah po kolektivnih pogodbah. Lahko pa tudi upoštevaš, da dve tretjini Slovencev zaslužita manj, kot je povprečna plača.</p>
<p>Hecno je tudi, da je realna sredinska plača (median wage) za časa Busha v ZDA bolj ali manj stagnirala, medtem ko so genialci, ki so zakuhali finančno krizo, svoje dohodke povečali preko vseh mer.</p>
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		<title>Avtor: stupid</title>
		<link>http://drugidom.net/deregulacija-kje/comment-page-1/#comment-45695</link>
		<dc:creator>stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While trying to help rebuild confidence in American capitalism, Mssrs. Paulson and Bernanke tried to convince Congress that bank executives would prevent their institutions from participating in the bailout if it meant that their compensation would be capped.&quot; Vir: Haste Makes Waste By Michael Lewitt : 
Slovenski prevod: če bo fatcatsom zagroženo, da bodo pušnl bonus, bodo bojkotiral &quot;bailout&quot;.

Tole gre počas v smeri, da bo treba koga na vile nasadit pa kakšen grad zažgat, ne pa neki kao socializem ali regulacija/deregulacija.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While trying to help rebuild confidence in American capitalism, Mssrs. Paulson and Bernanke tried to convince Congress that bank executives would prevent their institutions from participating in the bailout if it meant that their compensation would be capped.&#8221; Vir: Haste Makes Waste By Michael Lewitt :<br />
Slovenski prevod: če bo fatcatsom zagroženo, da bodo pušnl bonus, bodo bojkotiral &#8220;bailout&#8221;.</p>
<p>Tole gre počas v smeri, da bo treba koga na vile nasadit pa kakšen grad zažgat, ne pa neki kao socializem ali regulacija/deregulacija.</p>
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		<title>Avtor: Jure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nekako mi je še najbližje komentar z reddita (zadnji odstavek zabije žebljico)

People have lost site of what is at risk; standing on ideology largely communicated as nothing more than spin. Press releases designed to create affinity in hopes of re-election.
I can only imagine how things might be today if the same forcefulness regarding indignation had been present when we ramped up the noise to the drum beat of invading Iraq and spending $2 trillion that will never be returned to the coffers - no matter what we do.
In short, the public seems too quick to wrap their support around something they think they understand (yeah! a fight - let&#039;s go) and unable to wrap their support around the fact that if they don&#039;t do something they are placing themselves in immediate peril.
If home values decline by 20% (and maybe many SGers are not homeowners), many hundreds of thousands of people will lose their homes - and not just the &quot;dumb mother fuckers that couldn&#039;t otherwise get a loan.&quot; Moreover, credit worthiness will collapse. If credit worthiness collapses the infrastructure collapses. Not because you can&#039;t get a loan, but because the grocer cannot borrow to purchase inventory ahead of demand, and growers cannot borrow against future yields to expand production.
And just for grins, the most thinly capped investments will be the first to go - and many of these are our favorites; green tech, alternative energy, organic product production, etc.
You can be sure that your local oil company will survive, because they found a way to increase cash ahead of this challenge. Invisible hand my ass.
We are not bailing out Wall Street fat cats. We are doing what is necessary to keep our economy from imploding and hurting millions of Americans. We are making money available to purchase assets at a discount to make to market value. We are revaluing those assets at hold to maturity. We are going to make selective purchases and then resell those assets. Some at a loss, some at a gain, some at NPV. We are going to take warrants on the riskier investments where it makes sense - but at the end of the day, we are not going to spend anywhere near $700 billion and the investment we make is going to save jobs, homes, businesses, and probably lives.
In the end, we will get some much needed reform and regulation.
To me, it&#039;s ironic. The leader that so many conservatives and libertarians placed their faith in discarded so much political capital on an ill-conceived war and republican ideology that the administration now lacks the political capital necessary to bring the American public together on a far more critical issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nekako mi je še najbližje komentar z reddita (zadnji odstavek zabije žebljico)</p>
<p>People have lost site of what is at risk; standing on ideology largely communicated as nothing more than spin. Press releases designed to create affinity in hopes of re-election.<br />
I can only imagine how things might be today if the same forcefulness regarding indignation had been present when we ramped up the noise to the drum beat of invading Iraq and spending $2 trillion that will never be returned to the coffers &#8211; no matter what we do.<br />
In short, the public seems too quick to wrap their support around something they think they understand (yeah! a fight &#8211; let&#8217;s go) and unable to wrap their support around the fact that if they don&#8217;t do something they are placing themselves in immediate peril.<br />
If home values decline by 20% (and maybe many SGers are not homeowners), many hundreds of thousands of people will lose their homes &#8211; and not just the &#8220;dumb mother fuckers that couldn&#8217;t otherwise get a loan.&#8221; Moreover, credit worthiness will collapse. If credit worthiness collapses the infrastructure collapses. Not because you can&#8217;t get a loan, but because the grocer cannot borrow to purchase inventory ahead of demand, and growers cannot borrow against future yields to expand production.<br />
And just for grins, the most thinly capped investments will be the first to go &#8211; and many of these are our favorites; green tech, alternative energy, organic product production, etc.<br />
You can be sure that your local oil company will survive, because they found a way to increase cash ahead of this challenge. Invisible hand my ass.<br />
We are not bailing out Wall Street fat cats. We are doing what is necessary to keep our economy from imploding and hurting millions of Americans. We are making money available to purchase assets at a discount to make to market value. We are revaluing those assets at hold to maturity. We are going to make selective purchases and then resell those assets. Some at a loss, some at a gain, some at NPV. We are going to take warrants on the riskier investments where it makes sense &#8211; but at the end of the day, we are not going to spend anywhere near $700 billion and the investment we make is going to save jobs, homes, businesses, and probably lives.<br />
In the end, we will get some much needed reform and regulation.<br />
To me, it&#8217;s ironic. The leader that so many conservatives and libertarians placed their faith in discarded so much political capital on an ill-conceived war and republican ideology that the administration now lacks the political capital necessary to bring the American public together on a far more critical issue.</p>
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		<title>Avtor: Jure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ervinator

Ni še konec. Gleda na prebrano pa bi prej rekel, da je bailout v taki ali drugačni obliki nujen.  V tem pogledu imam tudi več zaupanja v trenutnega šefa FED-a kot šarlatana, ki je deloma zakuhal ta mess.

But who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ervinator</p>
<p>Ni še konec. Gleda na prebrano pa bi prej rekel, da je bailout v taki ali drugačni obliki nujen.  V tem pogledu imam tudi več zaupanja v trenutnega šefa FED-a kot šarlatana, ki je deloma zakuhal ta mess.</p>
<p>But who knows?</p>
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